Pornography Articles Pro vs. Con (No pictures) (No Spam)
Men think they have a major
excessive porn problem. I don't think so. I feel it is a misunderstand of there
personal sexuality and not a porn problem.
Starvation of any need will cause
an excessive desire for what is being starved.
Sex Research http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/index6.html
Also the ideal of, if a tank, which has continuously pressurized input, is full to overfull, then it needs to be emptied or it will burst.
For example, if your bladder is
full of urine and you badly need to urinate, then all you can think about is to
urinate. Would you say you have an excessive urination problem? Would you say
you are addicted to urination? Would you beat yourself up because you have no urination
control and all you can think of is urinating? Or would you conclude that you
are normal and you just need to urinate. Then, in the future you will urinate
when you walk by a Bathroom or before going on a trip or before you get 75%
full and not wait until you are 100% full to overflowing.
The same is true with sex and
porno. If your sex hormones bladders are 100% full to overflowing, then your
mind will automatically think excessive of getting sex, a high need for sex, so
the sex hormonal bladders can be emptied. Similar to the above urination story,
you conclude that you are normal and you just need to get more sexual bladder
release. Then, in the future you will get more semen release either by solo or
partner sex, before you get 75% full and not wait until you are 100% full to
overflowing.
When a person is in starvation
for sex, then he will have an excessive need to look at a lot porno and get
sexual satisfaction and sexual release of the built up sexual stress.
When a man is 100% sexual satisfied, or 100% "spend" then he will have a lot lower desire and need for porno or sex. Just like a person who is totally 100% full of food, they have a very low desire to eat any more food.
Different people have different sex
drives. Some have very high demanding sex drive and others have a much lower
sex drive. Some may need sex every 4 to 7 hours and others may only need sex a
few times a month. Each person needs to understand their personal sex drive and
seek to meet his need in a safe and practical way seek to apply the law of love
to our sexual lust and needs.
Solo sex or partner sex is not
evil, both are a gift from God and both can meet the needed sexual hormone
built up stress release. If a man would masturbate more often then he would have
a less excessive porno problem.
But it is 100% normal for a man
to enjoy pictures of nude females and it is not evil. God is the one who put
Adam and Eve in the garden 100% nude and he said that it was very good. Nudity
is God's design and not evil. Wanting to have sex is also 100% normal and God
designed and not evil. God designed lusty, sexy human sexuality, we did not and
satan did not, but God did. We
should be ashamed of our nudity or sexuality.
NUDITY IS NATURAL AND
WHOLESOME
http://www.libchrist.com/bible/nudity.html
205 Arguments in Support of
Naturism (being nude), Also The Bible
supports naturism. Many Christians also are nudist. Breaking the Shame barriers. The Bible and nudity.
Lust and nudity? Christianity and nudity. (Many links) http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/nature.html
Pastor of Church in (LA) Anaheim, CA that is openly Pro-nudist.
http://www.oursunhome.com
http://www.experiencegrace.com/Pastor_Jeff_Bowman.html
http://www.experiencegrace.com/naturism.htm
http://www.experiencegrace.com/Good_Nudity.html
Important note: Fellowship Bible Church is not a "nudist" church
anymore than it is a "yuppie", "farmer",
"wood-worker", "stamp collector", "surfer", or
"musician's" church. It is a church where Jeff and Judy's enjoyment
of naturism guarantees that you will not be judged for enjoying your liberties
in Christ.
Here are some addition concerns about porno.
The following is from the marriage forum: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/TheMarriageBed
Hey! We've got real live Christians discussing marriage, sex
and intimacy.
115 Pornography, 116 Masturbation 117 116 Masturbation From:
Paul Subject: Masturbation
I suppose my history is relevant here. I started early; I
was well on my way to discovering masturbation for my self when some older
cousins clued me in about it at age 10 (yes, a guy can do it before puberty).
Once I started I did it A LOT; from age 13 to age 21 I was doing it 2 or 3
times A DAY. I never worried about it as my seriously Christian father told me
it was not only okay, but good. After I had moved out on my own, I realized I
was doing it a bit too much, and in a couple of months went from 2-3 times a
day to 2-3 times a week.
The, as I was going through a lot of spiritual growth, some
friends got me to wondering if masturbation was okay. They never convinced me
it was not, but because of the doubt I felt I could no longer do it; Romans
14:23 strikes again. With only one slip up I didn't masturbate from that time
till Lori and I married about a year later.
We had some REAL rough times sexually early in our marriage,
especially the second year, and Lori was feeling very unable to meet even my
most basic sexual needs. We prayed, and finally decided that if I thought only
of her, it was okay for me to "DIY" when she was unable. This
happened on and off for several years, until she was able to always do it for
me. Towards the end of this time, my step daughter reached the age where
masturbation was going to be an issue in her life. That's when Lori and I
REALLY started to pray and study about it; when it's your kids, saying
"I'm not sure, so don't do it" just don't cut it! After a lot of
study of both the Bible and the biology, and a lot of prayer, we came to the
mutual conclusion that masturbation was not wrong for singles; in fact we came
to the realization it was a good thing because it could help them stay away
from fornication.
Still, we felt that masturbation in marriage was a last
ditch or stop gap thing, and that a happily married couple would have no use
for masturbation under normal circumstances. That idea held for 10 years, until
this last summer when Lori found some excerpts from Patsy Rae Dawson's book
"Why God's People Make the Best Lovers". (I'll post a link to it
later.) She has a different take on the authority over spouses body found in 1
Cor 7:4. She explains that the scripture uses a Greek word combination known as
an ellipsis, a comparison of two things which are both true, but one has the
priority. In other words, we have power over our own sexuality, but our spouse
has GREATER power. With regards to masturbation this suggest that husbands and
wives can masturbate as long as doing so does not cheat their spouse sexually.
I'll admit that this idea was uncomfortable for me, and still is to some
extent, but having studied it, I can find no fault with her reasoning.
So, I am forced to conclude that it's not a sin for a
married person to masturbate. I must also conclude that it's not necessarily a
sign of a problem in the marriage.
--
<>< Paul
115 Pornography From: Paul
The pornography and masturbation issues are obviously
linked, but I'm addressing each individually, and then together. If I don't, it
will be a REAL long post.
I look at the issue of porn two ways. First, as suggested by
Josh's comments, is the issue of how our spouse feels about it. If it makes her
feel she is "not sexy enough", or if she feels jealous, then it's
obviously a problem. Even if viewing porn were not wrong, it would be if it
injured the wife. I think we as men tend to underestimate how our use of porn
can damage our wife's self image, and her sense of sexuality. She starts
questioning her ability to arouse her husband, and believes she can't truly satisfy
him sexually. I think it also effects the way she sees her husband as a man.
All of this results in her being more sexually inhibited, and less able to
enjoy sex, preventing her husband from having what he really wants!
The other issue, and it's already been mentioned, is Mt
5:28, where Jesus says "...but I say to you, that everyone who looks on a
woman to lust for her has committed adultery with her already in his
heart." The interesting thing about this verse is the word lust; it doesn't
mean what we think. The same Greek word (epithumeo) translated as lust here,
used in Lu 22:15, where Jesus said "I have earnestly desired to eat this
Passover with you before I suffer;..." We could rewrite the verse as
"I have lusted to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;..." The
word simply describes a very strong desire. So, in the Mt 5:28 verse Jesus is
saying a man who "strongly desires" a woman he sees is sinning
against his spouse. It would seem to follow then, that a man who sees a woman
but does NOT strongly desire her, he's not sinning. Of course with pornography,
the whole purpose is to be aroused, and that arousal is usually directed at the
woman being viewed.
The problem with porn then is that it can damage the one
flesh relationship with our spouse. It can hurt her, leaving her less willing
to be sexual, and less able to enjoy sex.
-<>< Paul
117 Masturbation, pornography, and marriage From: Paul
Subject: ~ Masturbation, pornography, and marriage
Okay, guys who use porn usually masturbate during or after,
so I'm assuming it's a combination thing for most. Sometimes, especially as men
age, the porn is used to create arousal so he CAN masturbate.
The question I ask is this: why would a man happy with his
sex life with his wife want to read porn and/or masturbate? I still think that
this is a sign that something the man wants sexually is not being found in sex
with his wife.
Maybe it's simply a mater of frequency; a man's sexual drive
is generally MUCH stronger than his wife's, especially before 40. He's most
likely *capable* of sex two (or more) times daily, and he may well feel a
strong desire daily or more. Society has done a good job recently of telling
men they are over sexed, and a lot of guys I've talked to (and myself also)
feel guilty about their God given drive.
It's not uncommon for a man to feel he's doing a good and
loving thing in reducing the amount of sex he ask his wife for, and I know more
than a few men who started doing that during the second half of their first
year of marriage. Of course this does not reduce his drive, and so masturbation
fills in the rest.
On the other hand, maybe he wants "more" sexually.
Maybe vanilla sex is just not fulfilling him. I've had a lot of guilt and bad
feelings about this very thing, and to some degree I'm still working it all
out. I kept trying to convince myself that I could be full satisfied with
nothing but what we were doing; trouble is it wasn't true. I wasn't unhappy
with what we had, but I wanted it to grow.
Lori has been wonderful, encouraging me to be myself, and to
explore with her. I think a lot of us still have the "Christians don't
want that" mentality, as well as the "nice women don't do that"
mentality.
We've known couples who both wanted to try the same thing
for several years before they finally talked about it! I think porn can be an
outlet for desires we think are wrong, or think our spouse would not or should
not want. The porn feeds the fantasies that accompany the masturbation, and the
whole thing acts as a pressure valve for desires we are afraid to admit to.
Husbands who have a problem with either porn or masturbation
would, IMHO, do well to seriously consider their drive and their desires. Is
their problem aggravated by "not getting enough", or by frustration
about things they want to do but don't? Have they bought the world's (or the
church's) lies about what sex in marriage should be, or about how much of a sex
drive they should have? Do they need to be more honest with their wives; with
themselves?
--<>< Paul
Porn Free - Freedom from
Excessive Pornography use via Naturism ... http://www.experiencegrace.com/porn_free.html
The other side of the story.
IN DEFENSE OF PORNOGRAPHY
http://www.ncfm.org/kammer.htm
by Jack Kammer
Jack Kammer, NCFM member since 1983 is the author of Good
Will Toward Men, (St. Martin's Press, 1994).
Used with permission of the author.
First published: Baltimore Sun on
December 21, 1993.
Those who would censor and suppress pornography tell us that
it glorifies and therefore exacerbates men's sexual domination of women. What
it does, in fact, is precisely the opposite. It expresses male rage at women's
sexual domination of men.
I have in mind a particular movie which no one would think
to call pornographic even though it gleefully celebrates the subjugation of a
member of one sex by members of the other. I'm thinking of the exploits of
Dolly Parton, Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin in _9 to 5_ as they employ a dog
collar and chain to subdue their chauvinist boss, artfully played by Dabney
Coleman.
If I were to believe and insist that _9 to 5_ is a product
and manifestation of women's domination of men in the world of business, I
would be quite ludicrously misguided. It is only because women do not dominate
in business that the movie found such popularity with women who wished that
they did. The movie is a fantasy. In fact, it is a series of three
sub-fantasies feeding into the central one. Dolly Parton dreams of lassoing and
hog-tying her boss like a rodeo animal, Jane Fonda shows us how she would like
to hunt him down and mount his head as a trophy from a safari, and Lily Tomlin
has great fun relating her "gruesome, horrible, real gory but kind of cute"
fairy tale in which Bambi and Thumper laugh at seeing the boss poisoned and
catapulted from his chair through the window of his high-rise office.
The movie, despite its glorification of violence and
subjugation, cannot rightly be criticized as an aberration of sick female
minds. Any attempt to censor the movie could only be supported by those who
fail to see that it vividly expresses an injustice perpetrated upon women. Or
by those who seek to keep the injustice in place and intact.
Fantasy expresses wishes, not facts. _9 to 5_ is fantasy
about come-uppance. So is pornography. _9 to 5_ is about business because women
feel exploited in business. Pornography is about sex because that's an arena in
which men feel they are often treated unfairly.
Pornography, if we can be open enough to hear it, is telling us about a difficult problem whose solution will require sincere cooperation between men and women. Censoring pornography is nothing more than killing the messenger for conveying a truth we'd rather not hear.
A Feminist Defense of Pornography by Wendy McElroy http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/mcelroy_17_4.html
In Defense of Pornography: My response to the OCAF By David H Dennis http://www.amazing.com/internet/porn.html
In Defense of Pornography http://www.princessatlarge.com/Pornographyessay01.htm
Watching Sex: How Men Really Respond to Pornography http://www.david-loftus.com/watchsex-b.html
An Anarchist Defense of Pornography http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002kvq http://www.theworld.com/~bbrigade/badbsd5.htm
Defining Pornography The debate around the issues of pornography, censorship and freedom of expression goes on by Leti Boniol http://www.isiswomen.org/wia/wia199/vaw00007.html
Forum Sexuality Discussion - "Good" Porn?
http://forums.delphiforums.com/libchrist/messages/?msg=439.1
From: COOL1976 3/22/2001 7:04 am
To: ALL (1 of 15)
Maybe you've read my posts about the horrifying state of
"the sex industry." I feel that's been talked out, so no need to
rehash that, but that being said I've frequently said that the depiction,
representation, or presentation of humans in their sexuality is not inherently
evil. It's not the "what," but rather the "how" of things.
So I'm wondering if anyone here who is enticed by erotic
stories, movies, art, or what-have-you knows of some "good porn?"
It's a whole new question as to what makes porn worthwhile, and what is trash,
and I certainly have my own opinions on that. Any thoughts? Probably nobody
will post to this cause "We're all Bored!!!!!" ;)
From: DRUMMERBOY40 3/22/2001 12:06 pm
To:
COOL1976 (2 of
15)
I think there are a few women porn director/producers out
there who supposedly produce some porn of better taste and perhaps more
romantic than the male produced stuff. I am not sure but, the name Candida
comes to mind as perhaps one of them. I often wonder about porn movies or
magazines in the sense that veiwing nudity in an of it self is not wrong but
does it give us men unrealistic expectations for our real lives? Most of us are
not likely to be sexual partners with woman with perfect airbrushed bodies
unless we are Tom Cruise or Mel Gibson look a likes. That question aside have
you seen Perfect Ten magazine :-) . The woman in this mag our silicon free. I
find I quickly bore of porn and prefer a real sexual and otherwise relationship
with a good looking but, not necessarily model perfect woman. If I can find in
the new town I will be moving to a good looking sensual woman who also
understands and believes the gospel I will be a happy man. Hey on a side note
have you seen the new issue of US magazine in your grocery store check out
line? The cover theme is those stars that will be turning 40 this year. Meg
Ryan and Heather Locklear are among two of the women. However my mug shot is
strangely absent from the cover (I turn 40 in a week). Should I sue :-) ? Let
see Meg is relationship free right now, maybe we should celebrate our birthdays
together :-). Bruce wake up your having a dream! Have a good day Cool.
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