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Extensive History
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Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/11/2002, 09:02:18
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I located this forum some time ago during a search for some group of people whom I might have something in common with. Unfortunately, it seems the world of incestuous discussion is often filled with more horny people just looking for a taboo story or picture... and people with exceedingly and overly obvious fake stories... Most anyone who has truly experienced an incestuous lifestyle will tell you, it is not, and does not resemble "porn." So many of these stories I see... "For years I watched my mom nude... Finally one day she caught me watching he... blah blah, my hard cock... blah blah... her wet this, her big that..." You've read them. They abound. From the perspective of someone having lived within a truly sexually oriented family, those stories are fairly annoying.
I am posting for a few reasons... First, because for those who are also truly involved in, or seriously considering becoming involved in such a lifestyle, my story might be of interest... Fantasizing and consideration are too very different things... Secondly, I've noticed several people asking questions about how to go about things... How certain issues affect children, daughters, etc. I can give you my story, but it is only my own... It is not fantasy, but I would also like to make it clear that I realize fully the intensity and severity of this subject...
I will post the rest in the following message -
TopazMoonz
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09/11/2002, 10:10:01
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I am the youngest of three children... I have a brother 6 years older than myself and a sister 4 years older than myself. I'm currently 25. My mother is where things began, my father (to my knowledge) never planned to lead this lifestyle prior to knowing her.
In the case of my Mom, she was raised in a highly educated family and was the daughter to a man well trained in the realm of philosophy. Growing up, she was allowed to think critically, and maintain an open mind. Her family life was *not* incestuous, but apparently due to her own mental make-up, combined with being allowed to think freely and objectively throughout her lifetime, she grew into a person with very different views on a variety of aspects of life. Human sexuality being one of the main focal points.
Before having children, my mother was very sexually open and was not at all inhibited about her own sexuality... She was *not* promiscuous, however, and sex to her was something different than it is to most people. Upon marrying my father, and eventually having my brother... My mother at some point decided that she would not raise her family in the traditional way. Her basic premise: Unless a child was taught that something was negative, it would not be perceived as negative. Additionally, after having studied a several theorists on incest, my mother came to the belief that a child might well benefit from such activities *if* raised from the beginning to be a sexually oriented being... But here's the catch, *sex* is not described as a single person *using* another person just to get off. This is not what took place. The bottom line... humans have the ability to feel. Despite societies' rejection of the taboo, our bodies respond to touch, and they respond to affection. How many mothers rub their babies' tummies when they cry? Why do they? Because it *feels* good and it is comforting.
That said, upon having my older brother... My mother used touch as a means of conditioning him to never being uptight, inhibited, embarrassed by, or upset by touching, sexuality, or anything of the nature. I will make this all clearer, but it is an in depth matter, and requires explaining the facts. All three of us were raised in this manner... None of us remember a time that we were not in some way physically involved in our home...
Of course, I do not remember my own infancy, but I can relate what my mother has explained to me over the years... As I do not remember a time that I wasn't a sexual person, I can only know from the others how it came to be....
During infancy, rather than sticking a bottle in our mouths every time we whined or sticking us in a swing to shut us up when we cried... She would physically soothe us... This meant, for my brother, that she would massage his penis and testicles... and just generally use touch to soothe... For my sister, and myself this meant that our clits were manually masturbated and so forth. There was no sort of penetration at this age; my mother would in no way harm us. This was not about empowering herself or harming us... She too used her breasts as tools... We were all breast fed, but because a woman will continue producing milk until a child has stopped sucking, she did not allow either of them to suck her breasts for a period of time when my sister was around 2 and my brother around 4. When she stopped producing milk, she resumed allowing them to play with and suckle her breasts... Then I came along two years later, and the process was repeated... My mother tells me that during the times her breasts were off limits, we were all quite fussy... We were used to having them to explore, play with, and to seek comfort in.
During our early years, we as explained earlier, were all touched, and the types of interaction changed as we developed... Of course, with my being the youngest, my sister and brother were doing things before me, but there was a process for each of us.
In my personal case, and I can relate more details of my sister's and brother's lives should anyone be interested... But from here on out I will focus more on my own personal experiences...
I don't specifically remember a first time for anything... I was exposed to nudity, sex, and touch from day one. I do not remember a time that my parents did not have sex near and around us in plain view... I do not remember a time that I was not active in some way with any member of my family.
My earliest memories are of simple nudity, touching, and exploration... I remember my mother touching my clit, fondling my lips, and playing with me with great frequency. I also remember liking it. This was something *normal* to me. If I was sick, fussy, upset, bored, rather than do the things most moms would do... I received sexual attention... This being the case, it was also something I came to desire on my own... I can remember times mom would be busy and I would want her to play with me when she couldn't. I would get bratty!
Being the youngest, I was also exposed to seeing the things that my brother and sister were doing that I was not yet doing... My brother at 6 years older than me was heavily involved with my mother as far back as I can remember. Both my father and mother were also doing things with my sister that were not yet being done with me... So of course, with a child's curiosity, the visual affect simply made me want to do new things, too. This isn't the horny stage adults go through this is an exploration thing...
My mother allowed me from my earliest memories to have full access to her body as well... and to my father's and siblings. There was more interaction w/ myself and my mother than with my father... She was very careful to insure that at no point things would happen that might physically harm any of us... At any rate, I remember touching and feeling my mothers genitals... I knew I had the same thing only hers was neater than mine to me. I liked to look at it, touch it, and play with it... I saw my father and her make love, so I knew that things went inside her and I mimicked the actions with my finger. As a child, my intentions of course weren't to get my mother off; my intentions were just as innocent as can be... I was just having fun. This is why my lifestyle never harmed me... I feel more free and open because of my history... I was never victimized or brutalized ... that is key.
I remember oral action from very early on as well... this was not severe "pussy eating" as with adults. She would just kiss and tickle us and give little licks... And as we progressed, so did the interaction... I believe I was around 5 the first time I ever put my mouth on my mothers’ clit, and I did this on my own... At that time my sister was 9, and she was very much orally active... I recall that my mom was playing around with me one afternoon and I asked her if I could kiss her like my sister did from that time on I became more orally involved...
My mother allowed us to play with our father, to a point. He was allowed to touch us and play as well. But she was extremely cautious in terms of penetration. I remember licking and playing with my father's penis, and also with my brother's... and both my father and brother gave me frequent oral attention.
I am unsure of when my brother first penetrated my mother... I know he was young, so of course it wasn't like true sex, but I remember specifically when my sister was first penetrated. I was 6, she had just turned 10, and she initiated the event. Apparently the issue was simply that she wanted dad to do to her what he did to mom, and at 10, mom decided she would allow that... However, a great deal of time was taken, and my mother was with her during the act... in fact I believe she was leaning back on her with her head basically on her chest when she first took my father... I witnessed that, and shortly thereafter I began bugging my mother that I wanted to do it too... She explained to me that I was too young; but that when I was older I could...
I finally received full penetration from my father when I was 9 years old... This is an incredibly young age, but as with my sister, steps were taken to insure no harm would be done, and my mother was with me during the act. My mother began to finger me very regularly in the weeks before she allowed my father to go inside me... I'm guessing now she did this in an effort to help me be accustomed to having something inside and to possibly open me up a bit. She also stimulated me tremendously before he actually penetrated me... The female vagina actually stretches and lengthens when clitoral stimulation takes place, so doing so helped my muscles to be more ready... The act finally took place... I was in their bed, mom had me lay down and she was seated on the bed beside me... she bend my knees and open my legs as wide as possible... and I recall my father putting lube on himself at that time... mom also lubricated me... she did this externally and internally before sex took place... Finally she asked me if I was sure I wanted to do this and told me I could wait if I wanted to, but I was very much curious about my father's penis, and having seen him with both my sister and my mother, I suppose I felt left out. He came to the bed and bent down on his knees... he talked to me a bit while he fondled my clit and told me that it was going to hurt but that in time that would fade... My mother was the one who actually guided him into me... she at first put his head to the opening of my hole and nudged it inside me just a bit... she told him not to pull back out, as that would just make the process more difficult... it took quite a bit of time, but she had him gradually work his way into me fully... when he finally had his penis entirely inside my body, he did not grind nor move for a period of time... I held his penis inside me and allowed my hole to adjust... he eventually moved in and out of me with great ease and very gently. He told my mother a few minutes later that he wasn't going to last much longer, and she told him to go ahead... as I was not having periods yet, there was no chance of my getting pregnant. Being so young, and with my vagina being that tight... I did feel his penis expand and throb inside me and I did literally feel him ejaculate inside me... Being a matured woman now, I can honestly say that during those younger years the actual feeling of sex just due to size was far different than as an adult.
The interaction in my family has been consistent throughout the years... I am actively involved with my family even now... I do not have children myself, nor am I married, so I am able to freely do as I wish. I have typed a tremendous amount, and it's late (ha or early)... I will check back to this forum soon ... and I will be happy to answer any questions or respond to any comments...
I do not find that my sexual and romantic relationships are adversely affected by my lifestyle... If anything, I am able to be far more open and communicative than most, but again, I was raised from day one being comfortable with my sexuality... That's the biggest difference.... When you take a child who's been raised in the typical sense and simply throw sexual activity on them at an advanced age... You are taking a serious risk... Children are explorative, they constantly play and explore each other and have numerous curiosities. But preying on a child and raising a child openly are two very different things. I am glad to say I was raised in a loving and open home...
I know t his was an excessively long post, but I hope that it will have answered some questions and given some of you something to think about...
TopazMoonz
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Posted by: Duke
09/11/2002, 11:27:10
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Very well done. It's nice to see some intelligence around here. I would say that you are truly sincere by the way you express yourself in your writing.
Maybe you would be kind enough to give us some incite to your activities with your brother and sister.
Thank you
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Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/12/2002, 08:00:37
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Thank you for the response...
As for the relationship between my siblings and myself... Much like explained in my initial posts, nothing that was physically harmless was off limits...
I have vivid memories of my early years... Touching and playing with each other was a part of virtually every day... I do not want to make this look as if all any of us ever did was sit around touching one another... But yes, we had a great deal of interaction amongst ourselves... Some was parentally guided, some was self-induced and parentally witnessed, and much more simply took place when we were around the house doing kid "stuff." There weren't pre-planned sessions with us, we were kids, and at that age, sexual activity was something entirely different than it is now...
My sister and I as young girls played with each other constantly, we shared the same bedroom for years, and we were quite happy playmates...
My brother and I too were heavily involved, though him being 6 years older than me made things a slight bit different.
Boys being boys... He was quite happy with oral gratification... And I can remember being very young... Maybe 3, and he would constantly bug me and my sister about licking and sucking his penis. We frequently complied, but at that age, we were more interested in our own feelings of pleasure, and often would fuss at him "only if you do me."
So as children, there was a great deal of manual touching, oral stimulation and the like between us... And we were all also very much aware of each other's interaction with our parents... In other words, I saw my brother and sister with my mother and father, and vice versa...
As we grew older... of course the level, and intensity, of our interaction grew...
Neither my sister nor myself had total sex with our brother before having it with our father...
I don't know why it happened that way, it may have been the way my parents wanted it, I really don't know... I just know that he never penetrated either of us until after my father had... Though he was having sex with my mother.
At 9, I had my first full penetration experience with my father and I continued taking him and my brother from that point forward... The same was true with my sister when she lost her virginity at 10.
As teens, I was more heavily involved with my father than was my sister, and she was more heavily involved with my brother than I was...
Again, I don't really know the reason for this either, it just happened that way...
Possibly my being the youngest, and them being only two years apart.
Sexual activity at some level was daily for the most part... If I wasn't involved with my one of the parents, I would most likely be involved with my sister or brother, or on numerous occasions some combination...
Although I had more frequent sex with my father, my brother and I had a great deal of sex, as well... And when he moved out at the age of 20, he was still at our house 3 or 4 days out of the week. I remember my first summer without him being there daily, and my sister was driving, so I was home alone quite a bit and bored out of my mind... I think I called him 100 times a day wondering if he was coming over... I was bored having no one to mess with.
As adults, we are all three still involved... Though not as often as I think we'd all prefer... We all have life responsibilities...
I see my brother usually every week or so... We don't always have sex when we do see each other, but in a typical month we're usually sexually together at least 2 to 3 times. I do not see my sister as much, as she's away at grad school. When we have time to visit, she and I tend to make up for lost time... The same is true for her and my brother, and we usually when she is in town try to get together as a group at least once. I have always enjoyed visually seeing the two of them, and although my own interaction is enjoyable, I'm still very much attracted to watching the two of them together.
So that's about it for the sibling issue!
Until next time -
Topaz
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Posted by: Duke
09/12/2002, 12:02:20
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Topaz, thank you for your reply.
It's nice to hear that you and your brother and sister have grown up to be, what sounds like, well-rounded intelligent people. Congratulations to your parents. I guess I have heard and read the horror stories that come from incestuous relationships but yours is very refreshing.
As for me, incest was never a part of my life. I was raised in a very conservative family where sex was never discussed. I have always been curious about intra-family sexual relationships. I think the closest I ever came to one was a make out session with a first cousin at about the age of 10.
Please describe for me your first full blown sexual encounter outside of your family and what your feelings were. I'm assuming you have had one or more.
Thanks,
Duke
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Re: Extensive History (Duke)
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Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/16/2002, 14:33:16
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Hi Duke :)
Yes, of course I've had encounters outside my family!
My first full-blown sexual experience with a male outside the family was at the age of 15. I had a crush on this boy since I was 13; he was two years older...
One afternoon, no one was home at my house... He and I had been talking and hanging out extensively, and it finally happened.
As for my feelings, well, it wasn't quite the same as I suppose it would have been had he been my true first... But in some ways he was, as I was used to the family interaction and not used to non-family interaction. Oddly enough though, where most female become somewhat attached to their "first", I was not. Within a few weeks, I was fairly bored with this guy and didn't pursue any further dealings with him.
And as open as my family is, I still did not tell them for quite some time that I'd done that with anyone else... It seems that despite household characteristics, something’s just don't change.
When I did tell my Mom, she was not upset, and told me that I was at a age where I should be making my own decisions... But again warned me of the issues of STD's, pregnancy, and the like...
Generally, the experience was positive... and I had no difficulty interacting normally and completely with someone other than a family member.
Have a good day! Take Care!
Topaz
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Posted by: Hans
09/12/2002, 12:12:36
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One thing I just have to get off my chest. You say that your mother was "allowed" to think critically and have an open mind while growing up. I do hope you understand that these are not things that anyone is "allowed' do to. Her parent's no more had control over her thought processes than they did the orbit of the moon. They could encourage her to think in certain ways, but the idea that they allowed her to think critically says that they had the power to stop her from doing so. Just like everyone else, who she was and who she is has been determined by her own choices. There are those among us who want to disempower others. One of their favorite cons is that we are the product of our environment. The truth is that we are the product of the choices we make, the way we respond to our environment. How you mother responded to her's was never something that anyone else had control over. Don't believe me? Just ask the parents of any child with a spine and/or a respectable set of balls.
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Thank you
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Posted by: BB
09/13/2002, 15:20:33
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I visit this forum in part because I am interested in hearing about relationships of this sort that are not destructive. Many are of course, and because of that incest has been universally banned by society, but of course there are exceptions to every rule. Many incestuous relationships have gone badly, but that does not mean that all of them are destructive. There may be many of them out there, like yours, which have been a blessing to the participants. Unfortunately, because of society's attitudes no one ever hears of these unless one frequents a forum like this one. I can't help but wonder if there are not, perhaps, thousands of relationships, maybe not exactly like yours, but relationships like Cistelle's and Lynda's in which family members have sex and do not end up feeling victimized.
Thanks for sharing your story and your ideas with us.
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Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/16/2002, 14:36:46
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Thank you for your post, and I appreciate the thought and understanding you offer to both sides of the issue.
Sadly, many people are seriously damaged by inter-family sexual activity... And I have little respect or sympathy for those who prey upon children for purposes of empowerment and self-gratification.
Thankfully, in my case, my experiences did not leave me desperate, hurt, lacking, or feeling abused.
Have a super day, and thanks again!
Topaz
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Posted by: Cistelle
09/11/2002, 19:22:49
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Yes, I agree that this spectrum is full of horny people, but I do not agree when you state that it has nothing to do with porn, as it has, because porn is sex and sex between relatives surely defines incest.
I am looking forward to your story.
Also read Trickydick's story, a guy who also is not impressed with the fakes.
http://fetish.pornparks.com/stories/stories1/trickydick.htm
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Hypothetical? For Cistelle
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Posted by: Rebecca
09/11/2002, 22:40:42
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Cistelle, I know you find enjoyment with having sex with your dad and brother. I'd like to play devil's advocate with you for a moment. If you wanted to have a family of your own, would you encourage a lifestyle such as been presented?
I, myself, am wrestling with the ideology behind this sort of family love. Am I jaded by society's rules of what is considered moral conduct within a family? Perhaps so, but I'd like to take some time and process this seemingly well-intentioned post and respond accordingly. Thanks for giving us food for thought.
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Posted by: Cistelle
09/12/2002, 00:01:07
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Why would I encourage it? If I understand 'encourage'. If it happens it happens, I would not promote it as such but allow people to do what they enjoy, as long as it does not hurt others. If it happens it happens and I would accept it and understand it.
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Re: Hypothetical? For Cistelle
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Posted by: Rebecca
09/12/2002, 02:01:00
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Thanks Cistelle for your candid response.
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Your welcome
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09/12/2002, 02:16:29
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Re: Hypothetical?
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Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/12/2002, 07:33:54
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I think people tend to scoot around the question would they promote the lifestyles they've lead...
I understand Cistelle's point about "not promoting" just letting it happen if it happens...
Generally, though, we behave as we've been taught. So in the case of my own posted information... None of my experiences would have happened had I been raised in a family like most everyone else... Where sex is taboo, the body is taboo; touch is taboo, and so forth... We learn early on what to do or what not to do... In my family, we simply didn't learn to take issue with sexuality.
So no, it's not so much about promoting (i.e. promoting other people to do the same)... But, at the same time, in most cases, stuff doesn't *just* happen in families where the typical societal sexual views are held...
You have two primary case scenarios:
A. Those families who hold classic views on sexuality and no participation of the sort ever take place (even though fantasizing may happen in the mind, the acts are never pursued nor discussed)
And B. Those families who would have the rest of the world believe they are in the group of Casey scenario A., but that involve one or more members who are not into incestuous activity for harmless purposes, but instead prey upon children in efforts to empower themselves and self-gratification.
The scenarios such as my own are the exception, not the rule. Any well trained psychologist or sociologist would agree. In today's time, there *are* well trained experts who *do* understand the aspects of my own experiences... An article was published not long ago in a well-known health journal in which one sociologist explained, "except for the fact that a child's protectors teach him otherwise, it is curious that one would ever object to sexual stimulation, regardless of age."
You didn't ask me if I'd do the same with my own future family... But I figured I'd respond anyway -
That's a big decision... Ideally, I would rather continue with my lifestyle and allow my children the same freedom of expression, freedom from societal ideals on sexuality, and the same openness and fulfillment that I have been given...
I am, however, not blind to the fact that with such a lifestyle also comes crucial points that must be handled delicately and wisely. Despite views and opinions, social and legal matters are what they are and have to be considered. It is also important to note that it is not always easy having come from such a background... Yes, it offers many wonderful aspects... But it is also difficult to locate people who understand such issues and are okay with them... You have to consider everything, not just one thing... And that's something that takes a great deal of time and effort to truly answer. And it should definitely *not* be based on what another person suggested, believed, or chose for themselves.
Topaz
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Re: Hypothetical? Topaz
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Posted by: Rebecca
09/13/2002, 00:25:38
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Dear Topaz,
There is a method to my madness I assure you. I'm quite capable of formulating my own ideas and beliefs on the subject. I respect everyone's opinion, but shame on me if I agree quickly in the way. My question to Cistelle was separate from any future statements I will present to you. Some of us have been on this board awhile and actually have connected to Cistelle in some small way. Please take the time to do a search for my name, so you can have an idea of my background.
You've obviously spent many years rationalizing your childhood. I beg your patience in expecting an in-depth reply on my thoughts about your experiences and how I believe adaptation of "family love" (for lack of a better term) at such an early age reflects poor parental judgment. Obviously, my goal is not to change someone's mind, but a sharing of ideas.
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Re: Hypothetical? Topaz
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Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/16/2002, 14:26:50
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I am not here to: promote nor denounce anything, or anyone...
The only thing I will say flatly out is that I do, with all that is in me, understand why most people feel and believe what they do...
I know of entirely too many cases (friends included) where young children were preyed upon, victimized, and often, for the most part destroyed because an adult with severe issues sexually molested/assaulted/ and/or raped them.
If anyone, at any point, thinks that this sort of thing is what I am discussing, you are sadly mistaken.
This is, however, a discussion board... And if people did not reply to one another, Cistelle wouldn't have much of a site, now would she?
I replied to not to offend nor challenge you... But instead just to offer my own experience, opinion, and thoughts about the *thoughtful* question you'd asked Cistelle.
I respect your opinions, regardless of whether or not I agree with them...
In my case, I feel like a perfectly well rounded, functional, and contributing member of society. Yes, I was raised in an incestuous home; yes I had relations at an exceedingly young age...
I also maintained a 4.0 gpa in college for the first 3 years, graduated with a 3.75.... I am self-employed, run my own retail business, have healthy friendships, no major issues in my romantic life and feel generally happy with who and what I am...
If my parents made a mistake... Things certainly turned out well considering.
Thanks for your thoughts, have a super day!!!
Topaz
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Re: Extensive History
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Posted by: guest
09/14/2002, 22:19:42
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Is it I or is everybody acting all intelligent and philosophical now?
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Who needs to act? Everyone has a mind beyond this site.
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09/15/2002, 02:34:38
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Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/12/2002, 08:00:37
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Thank you for the response...
As for the relationship between my siblings and myself... Much like explained in my initial posts, nothing that was physically harmless was off limits...
I have vivid memories of my early years... Touching and playing with each other was a part of virtually every day... I do not want to make this look as if all any of us ever did was sit around touching one another... But yes, we had a great deal of interaction amongst ourselves... Some was parentally guided, some was self-induced and parentally witnessed, and much more simply took place when we were around the house doing kid "stuff." There weren't pre-planned sessions with us, we were kids, and at that age, sexual activity was something entirely different than it is now...
My sister and I as young girls played with each other constantly, we shared the same bedroom for years, and we were quite happy playmates...
My brother and I too were heavily involved, though him being 6 years older than me made things a slight bit different.
Boys being boys... He was quite happy with oral gratification... And I can remember being very young... Maybe 3, and he would constantly bug me and my sister about licking and sucking his penis. We frequently complied, but at that age, we were more interested in our own feelings of pleasure, and often would fuss at him "only if you do me."
So as children, there was a great deal of manual touching, oral stimulation and the like between us... And we were all also very much aware of each other's interaction with our parents... In other words, I saw my brother and sister with my mother and father, and vice versa...
As we grew older... of course the level, and intensity, of our interaction grew...
Neither my sister nor myself had total sex with our brother before having it with our father...
I don't know why it happened that way, it may have been the way my parents wanted it, I really don't know... I just know that he never penetrated either of us until after my father had... Though he was having sex with my mother.
At 9, I had my first full penetration experience with my father and I continued taking him and my brother from that point forward... The same was true with my sister when she lost her virginity at 10.
As teens, I was more heavily involved with my father than was my sister, and she was more heavily involved with my brother than I was...
Again, I don't really know the reason for this either, it just happened that way...
Possibly my being the youngest, and them being only two years apart.
Sexual activity at some level was daily for the most part... If I wasn't involved with my one of the parents, I would most likely be involved with my sister or brother, or on numerous occasions some combination...
Although I had more frequent sex with my father, my brother and I had a great deal of sex, as well... And when he moved out at the age of 20, he was still at our house 3 or 4 days out of the week. I remember my first summer without him being there daily, and my sister was driving, so I was home alone quite a bit and bored out of my mind... I think I called him 100 times a day wondering if he was coming over... I was bored having no one to mess with.
As adults, we are all three still involved... Though not as often as I think we'd all prefer... We all have life responsibilities...
I see my brother usually every week or so... We don't always have sex when we do see each other, but in a typical month we're usually sexually together at least 2 to 3 times. I do not see my sister as much, as she's away at grad school. When we have time to visit, she and I tend to make up for lost time... The same is true for her and my brother, and we usually when she is in town try to get together as a group at least once. I have always enjoyed visually seeing the two of them, and although my own interaction is enjoyable, I'm still very much attracted to watching the two of them together.
So that's about it for the sibling issue!
Until next time -
Topaz
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Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/16/2002, 14:33:16
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Hi Duke :)
Yes, of course I've had encounters outside my family!
My first full-blown sexual experience with a male outside the family was at the age of 15. I had a crush on this boy since I was 13; he was two years older...
One afternoon, no one was home at my house... He and I had been talking and hanging out extensively, and it finally happened.
As for my feelings, well, it wasn't quite the same as I suppose it would have been had he been my true first... But in some ways he was, as I was used to the family interaction and not used to non-family interaction. Oddly enough though, where most female become somewhat attached to their "first", I was not. Within a few weeks, I was fairly bored with this guy and didn't pursue any further dealings with him.
And as open as my family is, I still did not tell them for quite some time that I'd done that with anyone else... It seems that despite household characteristics, something’s just don't change.
When I did tell my Mom, she was not upset, and told me that I was at a age where I should be making my own decisions... But again warned me of the issues of STD's, pregnancy, and the like...
Generally, the experience was positive... and I had no difficulty interacting normally and completely with someone other than a family member.
Have a good day! Take Care!
Topaz
Re: Thank you (BB)
Re: Thank you -- BB Reply Forum
Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/16/2002, 14:36:46
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Thank you for your post, and I appreciate the thought and understanding you offer to both sides of the issue.
Sadly, many people are seriously damaged by inter-family sexual activity... And I have little respect or sympathy for those who prey upon children for purposes of empowerment and self-gratification.
Thankfully, in my case, my experiences did not leave me desperate, hurt, lacking, or feeling abused.
Have a super day, and thanks again!
Topaz
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Re: TopazMoonz - A Question or Two (Seeker)
Re: TopazMoonz - A Question or Two -- Seeker Reply Forum
Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/17/2002, 09:35:32
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I'd be happy to offer any information I can... If I leave anything out, or seem unclear, let me know, and I'll do my best to rephrase! Q&A below. - Topaz
Q.****Can you provide additional information about the "external" part of your life? Such as, did your father work during the day, did you go to a public school, did you live in town, or suburbs, or rural, did you have any childhood friends? The idea here is to put your previous narrative into some sort of context that the reader can relate to.****
A. Parental information: My mother did not work outside the home until I was around 10 years old. When she did begin work, it was in connection with a close friend of hers... The two went into business together and bought a local beauty salon that was up for sale... They still operate that shop today (though now it's far more than hair... they do the works - hair, nails, massage, tanning, etc.). My father (when I was young) worked a great deal - he initially was in the residential contracting business but eventually moved to a company that handles the sales of large commercial properties and is currently in an upper management position there. To be more specific as to his general time in the home: in my early years, he often worked late, and weekends were not unusual either. Once he moved jobs (I was around 12) he had a much more steady schedule and was home most every weekend and in by 5 or 6 pm daily.
Where I grew up: I grew up in a suburban area... about a 20 min. drive from a major metropolis. We lived in an upper-middle class neighborhood. Each of us attended public schools, and yes, I had a great deal of friends. That issue alone raises allot of questions... as it is commonly understood that children "talk." I can go into further detail (should you be interested) as to how we managed to live somewhat normal lives despite the realities of our home lives.
Q. ****You said "I do not want to make this look as if all any of us ever did was sit around touching one another". Would you consider providing some detail on the day-to-day life outside of the sexual activities, so that the reader can better judge the amount of time spent in one area vis-à-vis the other? This also relates to number 1 above.****
A. I would say our day-to-day activities were just as any other family... aside from the sexual content, that is. We watched TV, played games, played with kids in the neighborhood, took family vacations constantly... Mom cooked meals, we had chores, and it was very... "Normal" if such a word is appropriate here. As a teenager, I went through the friend stage... where friends and popularity were my world... I was involved in a variety of school activities, had good grades, and had quite a social life... My brother and sister weren't much different.
Q. ***You said that "As we grew older... of course the level, and intensity, of our interaction grew...” Would you care to expand on this and contrast these activities with the earlier ones? The idea again is to provide detail so that this part of your life can be put into context that perhaps others can relate to. ***
A. I suppose the best way to clarify this is to expand on what most people already understand: sexual activity takes on a different meaning with age.
For instance, as a teenager, I pursued and was involved in sexual activities with my family members in a far more "sexual" way than as a child...
As a child, I knew nothing more than that certain things felt good and were interesting...
It's not unlike what I recall my friends doing as kids when they wanted to play doctor... as a child it was exploratory... As I aged, developed, and mentally grew, my understanding of sexuality grew, as did the level of activity. In other words, I did not seek to seduce my father as a young child... That would never have occurred to me... Once a bit older, even though still quite young... a change took place... I no longer was just participating because it was neat, felt good, and just "how it was"... But because I had real sexual *desires*.
I don't know if that makes sense to anyone who hasn't been through this... But it's the way it was...
Things progressed in terms of: initially, there was fondling, light oral activity, etc...
Later, there was intense oral activity, intercourse, etc.
Hope this cleared some things up, feel free to ask anything you'd like to know... I'll answer as best I can!
-Topaz
Thanks again for sharing, and thanks in advance for any consideration of the above questions.
Re: Discussion? Topaz
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Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/17/2002, 09:59:48
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I do believe...
"What we have here... Is a failure to communicate!"
I in no way was offended by anything you posted, nor did I believe your intent was to offend!
I replied to the posts I did, as they were threaded into my particular discussion... I truly did not intend to intrude nor upset... And I do hope you realize, I am here not only to share my own stories and views, but also to learn from others...
I'd like to say one other thing here...
You mention defensiveness...
I'd like to think that in most cases, I'm a fairly non-defensive person...
After re-reading this thread however, I can see why you might feel otherwise... At the same time, you must also realize that with the Internet, comes lack of inflection. A sentence written on screen may come across entirely differently than it would had it been vocalized. Several things you noted in your posts seemed somewhat derogatory to me, and if I was mistaken, please accept my apologies...
I would also like to concede, that yes, at some points, you may well see a hint of defensiveness in various parts of my discussions...
I am new to this forum, and my experience in several others has been fairly negative. I've been bombarded with people telling me what a crummy family I come from, how hideous such a lifestyle is, how my parents should be imprisoned and so forth... On top of the fact... I exist, and always have existed within a society that basically says... I, as a "victim" (since we're all labeled victims despite circumstance) should be somehow scarred for life, unable to function normally, unable to maintain relationships, and basically screwed for life... So yes, knowing that in my case, these things simply are not so... I have a deep and loving relationship with my family members, and would not change my past for anything... Yes, I may well seem a bit defensive at times...
It's like knowing you're perfectly okay, but no on believes you!
And no matter how mature, stable, or "together" you are... sometimes, these things just get old, and we react.
Incestuous background or not, I'm still only human :)
I plan to locate some of your posts and read through your thoughts... I've enjoyed this forum thus far, and would like to establish some sort of "e-friendship" with some of you...
And again, you have my apologies if I in any way offended you or made you feel as if I did not value your opinions.
By the way.. Congrats on that 4.0! Hard work!!!
-Topaz
Re: Extensive History
Re: Re: Extensive History -- guest Reply Forum
Posted by: TopazMoonz
09/17/2002, 10:03:20
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Without the human mind... sex would become rather dull. Nothing wrong with thinking... discussing... exchanging ideas...
Everyone can use a little mind fuck every now and then don't ya think?
Pro-Sexuality and the Bible. God is not against sex, He created it and said it was very good. The proper context of sex in the Bible. Research on sexuality. http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/index6.html
