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From Meredith,
Junior Member posted July 01, 2002 04:28 PM
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One of the reasons I wanted to come to a site like this one was to find a place where people didn't automatically think parents who have sex with their kids are monsters. You get that message from anywhere else in society, I thought places like this were for people who did it as a way of life and liked it.
I have given birth to two girls by two different men, and now (as of the other night) I have watched both of those girls have sex with their birth fathers.
My oldest one is almost 21 and my youngest is 17. Not exactly too young to know what they want and what they are doing. Nobody forces them and nobody lays any guilt trips on them. The difference is, I grew up having sex with my dad and my brother and I didn't see anything wrong with it. The only thing I regret is that having Tina when I was young prevented me from doing other things I would have liked to do, like go to college and maybe have a more exciting career than being a travel agent, which is what I've been doing for ten years. For that reason I would never want either of my girls to get pregnant (by anybody, not just Ray or Jerry) unless they were absolutely sure it was what they wanted to do. And right now neither of them want to have any babies. Their choice, and we support it.Because I had good experiences with my dad and brother, I kind of encouraged Tina to have sex with Ray at a time when she was really curious about all kinds of sex
. I didn't have to encourage Debbie, she couldn't wait to try it once she found out what her big sister was doing. Okay, so maybe I won't get any mother of the year awards. But I think there are worse things for a girl than learning about sex from the man who loves her the most. Of course if a father is abusive or tries to force the child, that won't work. Also if the child is too young to really know what she wants, that won't work either. Its different for different kids. Tina got interested in sex later than some. Debbie was raring to go at 15.I checked out some of those sites for incest "survivors" and the thing that always seems to be the same in father-daughter incest is that the dad isn't getting sex from his wife or is trying to hide the relationship with his daughter for some other reason. In my opinion that is the source of most of the problems. If you are raising kids to be open and experiment with sex, and if both parents are okay with the idea of incest, the child at some point will have enough information to make up his or her mind about whether they want to have sex with a parent.
Also, sex between kids and parents has "context." If the context is that it's just for fun,
to make each other feel good, why is it a big deal if everybody consents and nobody is being pressured. I can see where a daughter who gets hit on by her dad might think she needs to fuck him to get his love, especially if she's young. That's wrong because it's playing with the girl's head and her emotions.But if she knows the love is already there and the sex is just another way to express it, I honestly don't see the harm. Sex between Ray, the girls and me is playful. We have fun as a family and make each other feel good physically.
I don't try to say other people should live their lives like we do, but others who don't want to understand what we do, should just leave us alone. Don't try to impose guilt trips.
One of the reasons my girls were willing to make incest a "lifestyle" was that they knew about my past and could see that I didn't turn out to be a mess. Ray and I have been married for 18 years, that's a lot longer than many couples we know. We don't have any addictions, have never been arrested, or anything like that. We don't live in a trailer park, we have a nice house and we both hold down decent jobs. Our neighbors like us and we like them. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing about our family that isn't "normal" (whatever THAT is) is that we like to have sex with each other. With our lifestyle nobody has to sneak into somebody's room at dead of night, or wait for one of us to leave the house. That WOULD promote guilt.
I didn't mean to get on a soapbox, and I have spent way too much time here already. Just my two cents...okay, since its a long post, let's call it THREE cents. I also didn't take as much time to write this as my other posts, so forgive any misspellings, etc. I just get pissed when guys who come to an incest site to get their rocks off ask the rest of us, "gee, don't you feel guilty for ruining your child's life?" Hey, if you find it so awful, why are you here?
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I want to share the exciting thing that happened at our house last night. Yesterday we had our first bar-b-q of the summer and a lot of beer was consumed because it was so hot outside. My oldest (Tina) got drunk -- not wasted, but drunk enough to be frisky and uninhibited. After everybody else went home, Ray and I and the girls went inside with my brother Jerry. It was nice and cool inside and we wanted to have some fun.
Tina has acted a little strange around Jerry ever since she found out he was her real father. I think I might have mentioned that in another post. But last night she started flirting with him and asking if he thought she looked prettier than I did when I was her age. They started making out on the couch right in front of us. Jerry kept asking her, "baby, you sure you want to do this?" and she kept saying yes.
So after a while we all went upstairs to the bedroom and my brother gave our daughter a good fucking while we all watched! (well, we were doing a little more than watching, but you get the idea I'm sure.) He came inside her and everything. I can't tell you how hot and wet that made me.
It's like there's something in the water at our house lately. Jerry just fucked Debbie (my youngest) for the first time a couple weeks ago. It's not unlike incest is a new thing in our house, it's just amazing that both girls did my brother for the first time so close together.
Tina has been pretty quiet today, but i think that's mostly because she's hung over. Earlier I asked her if she was okay with what happened last night and she said yes. We haven't talked about it since then, but I'm sure we will.
Ray and I were talking about it in bed last night (when we finally DID get to sleep) and he was rubbing my clit while whispering in my ear how sexy it would be to have him and Jerry DP the girls some night. He started describing how it would go. That made me cum all over again!
Meredith
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Hi everybody, this is my first post. My name is Meredith, altho most people call me Merry.
I began having sex with my dad and my brother soon after my mom died, when I was 15
. My brother Jerry is actually the father of my oldest daughter (Tina, named after my mom). I was a single mom for several years until meeting my husband Ray. We had a daughter together, Debbie, who just turned 17.I never felt guilty or dirty about having sex with Dad or Jerry, and I don't think I turned out all twisted like the "sexual abuse" industry would have people believe
.Ray never had any incest in his own family but he was very open minded when I told him about ours. We both believe that family members should be able to decide for themselves whether to have incest, as long as they're old enough and make up their own minds without being pressured into it.
Tina knows that Jerry is her birth father
. Both Tina and Debbie have been having sex with Ray on a regular basis for a while now. Sometimes I still have sex with Jerry too. My dad died many years ago when the girls were much younger. I think he had sex with me mostly because he missed my mom so terribly and I reminded him of her. Jerry and I just did it because we liked it, and still do.I don't know what else to say right now, except that I would like to hear from other moms who allow daughters to have sex with their dads. I guess there aren't many, but if you're out there I would enjoy sharing details with you. Plus I am happy to answer questions from other members who might be interested in us.
Meredith
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Originally posted by dog:
Was your Dad or your brother first and did each know about the other?
How old were you and how did you handle the birth certificate name for name of father when Tina was born?
How was the "absence" of a father handled as Tina was growing and how old was she when she was told her "uncle" was also her father?
How did Tina handle the knowledge at the time she learned the true id of her father?
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Jerry and I started fooling around a little when he was around 15 and me 13. We didn't really go "all the way" until a year or two later. It was during the time our mom was fighting cancer, I think we started doing each other as some kind of reaction to that. My dad had no idea we were fooling around until after mom died. I remember so much wanting always to make love to him because he was so sad. Sometimes he would moan my mom's name (Tina) while he was fucking me.
I was 19 and living at home when Jerry got me pregnant. I just told everybody I didn't want to have anything to do with the father, so finally people stopped asking who it was. Our family name is on Tina's birth certificate. Dad was disappointed in me at first but he loved Tina and helped me raise her like she was his own daughter. Tina called him "pop-pop" and Jerry was "uncle Jerry."
Tina was about 3 when I met Ray. He was a friend of somebody I worked with, who set us up. We got married only about six months after we started dating. Tina has always called him "dad." I got pregnant again not long after we married. I was kind of hoping to have more fun with Ray before we had our own kids together, but he was so happy when our darling Debbie came along.
Tina started asking who her birth father was when she was around 12 or 13. I just said he was somebody I used to date who went away rather than get married young, but by then I knew I would have to tell her more someday. It made me upset and that's when I told Ray everything about my past. He was surprised but not judgmental about my incest, in fact he said the whole idea turned him on. As Tina got older and prettier, we used to fantasize together about him making love to her.
I remember it was around this time of year, just before Tina graduated from high school, when the subject came up for real. Ray had started flirting with her and making suggestive remarks more often. Tina came to me one day and said, "I think dad is hitting on me." And I said, "He is." We had a long talk about incest and that's when I told her about Jerry being her real dad. She was very shocked at first and it took her a while to get over it. But sometimes later that summer, she decided she wanted to fool around with Ray and me, just as an experiment. Since she knew Ray wasn't a blood relation, she didn't think of it as perverted or anything like that - just really kinky and a little naughty. I remember the first couple times we all got together in bed, Tina was very bashful and took it slow. But soon she was fucking him with me right next to them in bed. (We played around too, her and me.)
We tried to keep this a secret from Debbie, but later she told us that she knew what we were doing almost from the beginning. Being the youngest, she has always been "daddy's girl" and hated being left out. After Tina had been fooling with us for about a year, Debbie made up her mind that she wanted to be involved. She's four and a half years younger than Tina, so she was just over 15 at this time. Tina had already had boyfriends when she started fucking Ray, but Debbie was still a virgin when she did it with her dad for the first time.
Sometimes I get a little jealous that I have to "share" Ray with the girls, but it still makes me incredibly hot and wet to watch him fucking them. I hope this answers your questions. Please ask more if youre still interested.
Meredith
Junior Member posted May 19, 2002 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by RayJay:
Loved your story, Merry! Has Tina showed any interest in making love to Jerry, her real father?
Have you kept your relationships strictly private, or have you or your daughters confided in any friends about your activities together? I'd be interested in knowing what their reactions were. Did anyone else related to you know of your relationship with your brother or father?
I think that your experience clearly shows that incest can be a positive and loving experience. No one is being forced (and sex IMHO should never be forced on anyone) and all are enjoying the experience. I'd love to hear more from you, and maybe your husband and daughters could chip in a few words, too!
Take care!
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Thanks for your kind words, RayJay.
Tina acts a little awkward around Jerry since she found out he was her real father. They don't exactly have a bad relationship, she just isn't sure how to act around him. Jerry would love to fuck her (and I would love to watch) but he understands how weird it must be for her - so he doesn't press it. Tina loves having sex with Ray & she thinks of him as her father anyway. Debbie is the one who wants to have sex with Jerry. She's a little sex machine, my youngest is. I think that will probably happen sooner instead of later, but it's up to her to decide.
Nobody knew about me being with dad and Jerry when I was young. Later on Jerry told his first wife and she never got used to the idea - that was the main reason she finally divorced him. (especially since she found out he still had sex with me sometimes.)
Our girls know they can't talk to anybody about what we do at home. We worry about Debbie slipping up because she is very outgoing & trusts too many people. But she realizes what is at stake, so I think she will stay quiet. Since they have to keep the secret just like me, I think it would help them to join a place like this so they could talk to other people who understand. They might join, I don't know. I mentioned it to them right after I joined.
Meredith
Junior Member posted May 20, 2002 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by FattyArbuckle:
Hello, Merry. You and Tina have played with each other in the same bed with Ray, right? Have you two ever played together -- just you two!? How about Debbie? LOL.
Fatty
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Yes, there are times when the girls and I fool around with each other when Ray is not around. Debbie likes playing with me even more than Tina does. She loves any kind of sexual contact, with men OR women. I wouldn't put it past her to try the neighbor's dog if there weren't any people around for her to play with ... lol!
Meredith
Junior Member posted May 21, 2002 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by RayJay:
I'm curious, Merry, when the relationship with your father began, who initiated it? Did you come on to him, or did he approach you? Was he aware, at the time, that you were also having sex with your brother?
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What happened was, after my mom died my dad was very sad and couldn't shake it. So I didn't come on to him at first, I just hung around and cuddled up to him on the couch, and on weekends he would stay in bed for a long time and I would crawl into bed with him. We would hug and cuddle for hours sometimes, and usually he was very quiet so I could tell how sad he still was. I wanted to do something that would make him feel good at least for a while.
One time when I kissed him I had my lips open and gave him a little tongue. He pulled away and said, "How long have you been kissing like that?" I said, hey, dad, I'm 15, you know - or something like that. He seemed a little shocked, but the next time I kissed him like that he did it right back. And one time while we were cuddling I put his hand on my breast. It went like this, a little at a time, for a while - maybe a couple months, I don't remember exactly. It was a gradual thing.
When I finally said I wanted him inside me, he backed off quickly and said we shouldn't be doing that. So that's when I told him that Jerry and I had been fucking. That really shocked him, and he said he blamed himself for not paying enough attention to us while mom was sick. Dad and I didn't fuck that day, but it wasn't long after that. I wanted him so much and I knew he wanted me because I reminded him of mom. By the time I was 16 we were sleeping in the same bed like husband and wife.
Jerry and I kept fucking, mostly in the afternoons after school and sometimes on the weekends here and there. I don't remember exactly, this was many years ago now. My dad never really got over our mom's death but I know I made him happy.
When I was around 18, right after I graduated high school, dad stopped sleeping with me. He wanted me to "move on with my life" and go to college. I went to a community college even though what I really wanted was to have dad's baby. Jerry and I kept on having sex and he was the one who made me pregnant the next year. Dad was very disappointed when he found out - he thought I had ruined my life. But he was very happy when my daughter was born and we named her Tina after my mom. He was a wonderful grandfather. We began sleeping together again, on and off, while Tina was an infant. I know he was sorry to see me move out when I married Ray, and he was terribly lonely the last few years before he died (in '92). But he was glad that I was part of my own family.
I guess this is probably a lot more information than you wanted, RayJay. Forgive me for going on like this, but it's very helpful for me to talk about these things which have been family secrets for so long.
I just want you to know that I'm not ashamed about any of this. My experiences with my dad and brother were always consentual and loving. Nobody ever forced me or mistreated me. We were all trying to cope with a difficult time in our lives, and having sex was our way of trying to feel better.
My incest experience was a positive thing in my life, which is why I haven't stopped my daughters from having sex with Ray. They are luckier in a way because they don't have any of the sadness we had, to them this is all fun - naughty, but fun.
Meredith
Junior Member posted May 22, 2002 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by RayJay:
I love that you're so forthcoming, Merry, people (even on this Board) often aren't that way!
Has Jerry married again? Did he tell his current wife of the relationship he's had with you and has he initiated any incest in whatever family he might have? Are Tina and Debbie at all interested in having a baby with Rayn at some point?
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Jerry did marry again, to a woman with a son from her first marriage. No incest there. He hasn't told her about us, so it's more difficult for him to get away to have sex with me. But we still do it from time to time.
Tina and Debbie aren't interested in having ANYBODY'S baby right now. They are having too much fun with things as they are.
Meredith
Junior Member posted May 28, 2002 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by FriskyD1:
Would you have any advice on how I could go about finding an incestuous woman. I know there are understanding women out there, I just don't know how to meet them. Thanks.
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I wish I could help you Frisky, but I'm no expert. I guess there can't be too many women like me out there because I'm not hearing from anybody with the same experiences as me.
You would have to find somebody who had a happy incest experience in her past. It seems like so many girls regret their experiences because they were abused or something like that.
The real problem is, if you're enjoying incest you don't dare tell anybody like friends or neighbors or even other relatives because of society's taboo
.My Debbie would love to tell her friends about having great sex with her daddy, and we keep reminding her how dangerous that could be.
I signed up here because these kinds of websites are the only places you can discuss this stuff with people who understand.
Also, for Unclad - you asked about
birth control. The girls both take birth control pills. Ray hates condoms (don't all you men?) and the girls would rather he cum inside them anyway.Meredith
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I was just over 13 when my brother started feeling me up. It went from there gradually. For a long time I would give him blowjobs and let him finger me but not have real intercourse. We finally got around to that when I was about 15. My dad started up with me a few months after Jerry took my virginity.
My first-born daughter Tina is the child of my brother Jerry. She hasn't had sex with him but she began doing her stepfather at age 18. My youngest, Debbie, is the daughter I had with Ray. She was 15 when he started doing her. She was very precocious, though.
I don't think the age debate should be about when a girl is physically capable of having sex. It should be about when they feel that they're emotionally ready to do it. I don't think Tina could have enjoyed sex with Ray much before she was 18 and out of high school.
Debbie was anxious to go at 15. Different kids have different personalities and temperments.We just had a story in our local newspaper about the new "epidemic" of 12 yr olds having
oral sex in middle school. The girls who were interviewed said it was no big deal. Also, many high schools are handing out condoms to kids in freshman class.There's all this hoo-hah about how kids shouldn't have sex that young, but even the education professionals say it's going to happen and the best we can do is try to convince them to have safe sex.
Forgive me if this stuff has been mentioned before, I haven't read the whole thread.
Meredith
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Hi everybody. I haven't posted anything in the last couple weeks because there was nothing to tell. But something happened last night that I wanted to share.
My husband Ray went away Sunday on a business trip without getting around to the one thing I asked him to do - namely, get our window air conditioner out of the closet and put it in our bedroom. I knew it was supposed to get hot this week. I called my brother Jerry yesterday and asked if he could come over after work and put it in. The thing is too heavy for me. If any of you live in my area you know how hot it got yesterday.
Jerry came over after supper and got the AC in the window. Then we went back downstairs for a beer, and I showed him some old family pictures I found a few weeks ago while doing a little spring cleaning. He was looking at those when Debbie (my 17 yr old) came downstairs.
She had been watching TV in her room all night so I know she was looking for an excuse to flirt with Jerry. She was wearing a cutoff t-shirt (no bra) and gym shorts. She wouldn't normally walk around dressed like that if she knew company was in the house, so I figured she was up to something.
Just to make conversation Jerry asked Debbie about school, and about her junior prom which had been a few weeks ago. I knew Debbie was being a prick tease when she just happened to bring up how she and her girlfriends all gave their prom dates blowjobs after the dance.
She told him lots of high school girls give blowjobs these days, and don't think its a big deal. Jerry was teasing right back when he asked her if she liked giving blowjobs and was good at it. She said, "I could show you if you wanted." Jerry looked at me like he was about to say, "Is this really happening?" He knows both my girls have sex with Ray and me, but I don't think he expected Debbie to come right out with a proposition like that.
It always turns me on to watch my girls having sex with their dad.
So I didn't say anything when Debbie got on her knees in front of the easy chair and started fumbling at Jerry's zipper. He looked at me again and mouthed the words, "Is this okay with you?" and I nodded.Debbie sucked his cock for a couple minutes till I suggested we go upstairs to the bedroom.
We turned the AC on, then all got naked in about one minute
. I was actually hoping to fuck Jerry myself that night, but I was just as happy to lay in bed next to him while he fucked Debbie.If you moms out there have ever watched your children having sex, you know how much of an erotic thrill you get from it. I had an orgasm playing with myself just before Jerry came. I was so wet, watching him twitch and knowing that he was filling my baby's little belly with cum. Debbie was moaning to beat the band. She had looked so beautiful with that dreamy look in her eyes while her uncle was fucking her.
We hung around in bed for a while before Jerry got dressed and went home. I know he'll be back for more sometime. I would love to see him with Tina (she was out with friends last night and didn't get home till after he left) because he's her birth father anyway. She still acts a little weird around him though
, so I would never push her to do something she didn't want to do. I was awake half the night (but at least in a nice cool bedroom)thinking about what had happened. So now you know why I couldn't wait to get here and share it with you all.Meredith
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Originally posted by fuckmemom:
Can a sexual incest relationship with one or more of your relitives be devistating to the hole families feelings and relationships to each other?
Can incest in the family actually break families up, or do the oppersite and bring them closer together?
You have your say, and deside whether or not this is the case.......
Have you got a relationship with one or more of your family member and if so does it affect the rest of the family or not, and does the rest of the family even know about the relationship?
Post your answers on this topic here.......and have your say...........
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Reply: From Meredith
I don't mean to sound nasty, but I think your question is naive. OF COURSE incest can be devastating and break families up. I think that is probably more common than the other way around.
I have been writing to a woman I met on another forum. She has been having an affair with her brother on and off since they were young teenagers, and it eventually broke up her marriage because her husband couldn't cope with knowing that his wife was still sleeping with her brother.
They spent several years trying to deal with it and at one time she promised to stop sleeping with the brother. She eventually started up with him again and the husband left her. She says she really cares for her husband, but she's addicted to her brother. (We're talking about people in their late 30's here.)
My two cents is that there is always a chance the family will be harmed unless everybody knows about what's going on. (Everybody in the immediate family, I mean.)
My husband knew before we got married that my oldest daughter was my brother's child.
We didn't tell Tina (my oldest) that her uncle was really her birth father until she was older, but by then she was having sex with her stepdad.
My youngest daughter knew her sister was having sex with him, which is why she wanted to join in too. Plus they all know that I still have sex with my brother. My youngest just had sex with him too, for the first time just a couple weeks ago.
Hiding it
from other people under the same roof is probably the recipe for disaster. In our case it works because I don't mind sharing my husband with our daughters. The hard part is making sure nobody says anything outside the family. That would break up the family faster than anything and most likely get people sent to jail also.Meredith
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Besides the legal aspects that can break up any family if incest is discovered by the wrong outsiders, Meredith touches on another important factor in whether incestous relations will distroy or build a family: whether the incestuous relation is in a monogamous environment or not. Situations of a single parent and child or of adult siblings/cousins are very different from environments wherein incest breaks the monogamy.
Many people not only can not handle their sexual partner/lover having other sexual partners/lovers. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the number one cause of divorce in America was people's fears of & reactions to their sexual partner/lover having another.
I certainly have known more people who've thrown away decent (not necessarily great) marriages and decent (not necassarily great) lives because they simply couldn't handle "infidelity."
A single parent and child or adult siblings/cousins can build their relationship without confronting the fidelity issue unless they have too. Other situations by definition don't have that choice.
And as everyone here should know, in many, many places once there's one disgruntled person within a household where incest is going on, it can rapidly become public and lead to serious legal troubles for those involved and family detruction for everyone.
So, add the monogamy/polygamy issue and the fidelity concept to this discussion.
b4rry
