Good Loving Incest vs. Bad abusive Incest. The Bible has both.

 Incest in the Bible http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/incinthebible.html

On the web you can find both sides of the story. Stories of very loving and caring love relation and lover inside the family and stories of the opposite. So to say all incest relationships are bad or all are good, would be a false conclusion.

But the government assumes  incest is abusive and sends some people to jail.

As far as the Bible goes, Christians are basically under the Age of Grace, the "Law of Love" not under the (Leviticus 18) old testament laws nor a list of do's and don't laws  nor under the Age of the Law. These special laws were for a special time, special people, to solve special problems of the day.

 

(Some From:   INCEST: THE LAST TABOO) more detail below

Mother-son incest represents 10 percent of the incidence and is 70 percent positive, 20 percent mixed, and 10 percent negative for the son. For the mother it is mostly positive. Farrell points out the boys don't seem to suffer, not even from the negative experience.

The father-daughter scene, ineluctably complicated by feelings of dominance and control, is not nearly so sanguine. Despite some advertisments, calling explicitly for positive female experiences, Farrell discovered that 85 percent of the daughters admitted to having negative attitudes toward their incest. Only 15 percent felt positive about the experience. On the other hand, statistics from the vantage of the fathers involved were almost the reverse -- 60 percent positive, 20 percent negative. "Either men see these relationships differently," comments Farrell, "or I am getting selective reporting from women."

 

Girls are much more influenced by the dictates of society and are more willing to take on sexual guilt."

Father/Daughter Incest relationship (true story)

Incredible? Impossible? Insane? Well, just such a father-daughter case happened in New York City. A forty-two-year-old Jewish writer, contentedly married for twenty years, phoned Farrell after reading his ad and related the following story.

 Two years ago the writer happened to be at his beach house alone with his attractive fifteen-year-old daughter. He watched her strip out of her bikini -- nudity was not unusual in the family -- and fantasized about having sex with her while she showered. His wife's appendix operation had curtailed his sex for the previous five months. This day the women on the beach and a few beers had led him into special temptation. When the daughter emerged from the bathroom in a towel, he greeted her in the nude and erect. Although he had never consciously desired incest before, he told his daughter that he missed sex. Without further prompting she fellated him to orgasm. Then she cried until he assured her that they hadn't done anything wrong; he asked her not to tell her mother.

Two weeks later the daughter walked around the house naked until the father approached her. That day he deflowered her to their mutual satisfaction. But the father was careful not to push things. He did not want to hurt his daughter, who seemed to have an active sex life with boys her own age. Several weeks later the daughter took the initiative again, this time with a girl friend as a third party. This threesome was the most exciting sex the father had ever had. Soon the father and daughter were having intercourse three times a week, repairing to motels with their secret passion. When they were six months into the incest, the wife unexpectedly returned to the apartment from shopping and caught the pair in the act. Despite some initial hysteria, the wife okayed everything. Apparently she was relieved that her husband's strong sexual demands could be met at home rather than with hookers, and she hinted that she'd like to watch the two of them in bed. When the writer talked with Farrell, the incest had been ongoing for two years. The father is enjoying himself immensely, and he says that his daughter prefers his expertise to the groping of her boyfriends, who just want to be "deepthroated." The writer insists that they're both much better friends now that before.

 

Brother /Sister Incest Relations  (true story)

Brother-sister relations are attended by fewer complications, since domination is not a factor. Farrell recounted the history of a twenty-five-year-old woman who had happily slept with her older brother for two years until he left home, four years ago, to get married. Today they talk on the phone every week and remain very close. The woman has no regrets and regards her incest as one of the best sexual experiences of her life.

 She began the long seduction of her brother at the age of thirteen or fourteen, prancing around their suburban New York home with her robe open. The tease progressed to leaving her bedroom door open while she was undressed. Apparently, the brother ignored these early invitations but later reciprocated with exhibitionism of his own. When she was eighteen, the girl started masturbating in bed, naked and with the door ajar. The brother responded by simltaneously masturbating in his own room. Soon they were masturbating together and performing oral sex. In a few weeks they engaged in sexual intercourse for the first time.

The sister was turned on to making love with a mirror image of herself. Breaking the taboo only heightened her pleasure. They had sex twice a week for the duration of their liason, often dipping into fantasies and Polaroid pornography. The brother once watched her make love to another man; another time he looked on as she exercised in the nude with a girl friend. On both occasions he made love to her immediately afterward. Their familial arguments ceased during the affair, and they became the best of friends. The sister now feels the incest helped in overcoming her inhibitions, though she and her brother had an active sex life with other partners while they were involved. They have slept together only once since her brother married.

 

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Inkaboutit comment: 

Father / Daughter incest true Story

I had a girl friend that loved physical touch, hugs and kisses and sex. She had a high sex drive. Her sister had a much lower sex drive and less desire to be touched and be physical. Her father had sex with both and the low sex drive daughter told someone and the father when to jail for one year.

Even though my girl friend enjoyed the loving, hugs, kisses and sex; the man, make, society made,  guilt of thinking she was doing something wrong because she could not tell anyone, caused guilt.

Conclusion by a young girl is that if we must keep it a major secret, then it must be wrong and therefore must be guilty of wrong doing, even though it felt so good and she enjoyed doing it a lot and it created a lot of love for her. This is what brings the battle in the mind. The church, society, and government create this man made guilt

 One example mental abuse:  "A few years ago (on a talk show) a 16 year old boy said when he was 13 he had an affair with a female school custodian that lasted two years. He later stated that while it lasted it was great--he loved every second.... Well--his parents threw a fit. Boy was sent to a shrink and is told he was abused. A year of conditioning later he sits on this talk show and says what a horrible thing this woman did to him--and still stated that he thought it was great while it lasted--he didn't know he was being abused at the time. Now who the hell I ask you caused the damage here?" from http://www.libchrist.com/bible/child.html

 

For hundreds of years there were no rules against loving sexual  incest. We know Adam and Eve and their children all had lots of incest, as well as Noah families, after the flood, when each couple went in different directions and each couple and their children all had lots of incest to multiply the earth. There was not any  rules saying anything was wrong with loving sexual incest at all. Then Moses wrote laws to solve some practical problems of the special time, the Age of the Law, for a special group of Jewish people.

The practical problem because of great distance and isolation from other people, there was for many generations, there was a lots of incest, making babies, (no birth control of any kind); as a result, the gene pool was getting smaller and smaller causing birth defect problems. So to solve the special problem, they make a rule of no more making babies with very close relations, which are spelled out in Leviticus 18(NLT)  

Today we do not have continuous generations of making babies with very close relations, if we did this same problem could be solved with condoms and modern birth control, or tie your tubes, which prevents births to very close relations. Sexual relations was only the issue in Lev 18, because they had no birth control at all, Not a sexual issues, but the many generation of making babies from close relations or sex with no birth controls, and causing major  birth defect and even new races of people when they are isolated. The other issue was permission from the owner of the women. Don't steal or use the other man property unless he gives permission. Similar to Ex 21:4 where master would loan a servant one of his wives or concubine that he owned. Women were the property of some man.

 

Scientist today explain, starting with one man, one women in isolation, that it takes about 8 consecutive generations in isolation of continuous incest to create a new race of people. Similar to whenever a man and women leave their present society and become isolated and start a new society by incest relations, 8 generations later there will be a new race of people.

Incest in the Bible was naturally reduced because they sold the daughter for money and a virgin daughter make a lot more money,  then a non-virgin daughter did. Also the men could buy many wives and concubines and there were many non-cultic prostitutes they could get to satisfy their sexual needs. They would keep there own daughters virgins so they could make more money. Don't forget the context was they had no birth control of any kind. Sexuality is not evil, God make it and said it was very good. (Gen 1:31)

 Ge 1:31 - Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. ...(Note: God designed our human nature, every detail of our natural sexuality, and said it was all very good. The only bad part of us is what we added, the "sin principal" part.)

  But what people do is turn their brain off and become very unloving, legalistic and blindly follow rules with out thinking why. Why was there no rules or problems about loving incest for hundreds of years? Then they make some rule to solve special problem thousands of years ago (they had no birth control, or condoms, or tying of the tubes), and we just follow the same rules today blindly without thinking why.

 Today we are under one rule, the "rule of Love". The whole law is fulfill in one law, to love your neighbor as you love yourself. That is the basic law Christians are under. Some people want to go back and pick and choose different laws in the Old Testament to follow and say we have to follow these law and don't have to follow though other laws. They become god themselves and picking and choosing. We are not under any of those laws; we are mainly under one law, the law of love.

Jas 2:12 – "So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free."

Ro 13:9 – "For the commandments against adultery and murder and stealing and coveting – and any other commandment – are all summed up in this one commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

 Sexual desire, and sexual love is not evil, God designed and said it was very good. (Gen 1:31)  Just like everything else we need to apply the law of love to it.

Incest in the Bible http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/incinthebible.html

 But for a government to blindly declare that all incest love and sex is evil and even try to explain to people that there loving and fun sex with a relation was bad or adusive when it was not, and  send people to jail is way over broad and mindless to say the least. They are mindlessly following some law make thousands of years ago without asking why. There are many laws on the law books that are totally ignored. Again they pick and choose which ones they want to enforce.

The real problem is not loving incest itself, but the lack of love and understanding how to love and understand people. People have different sexual desires. Some people's love language is "physical" touch, hugs and kisses etc and they greatly love to be physical with a lover. Others, this is not their major love language.

Then there are others that have a low sex drive, low hormones, and little or no desire to be physical or touch another person.

So the "physical love language" one may love a loving passionate incest relation, if done with the right person, in the right way, and take slowly to check responses and desires of the other person, just like in any other lover relationship.

Also when for generations a society  brainwashes  every one that loving incest is evil, because they think sex is evil, then how do you overcome that mental brainwashing? It becomes mental abuse or mental torment, and not sex abuse or physical abuse.

But because of legalistic Church and society, that are blindly follow a long list of laws that don't apply for today. Also a government that is blindly following outdated laws and send people to jail, everyone that has a lover in the close relation family has to keep it top secret from everyone. The Internet lets some of the secret stories of great family lovers come out in the open, as well as the bad ones.

 One example mental abuse:  "A few years ago (on a talk show) a 16 year old boy said when he was 13 he had an affair with a female school custodian that lasted two years. He later stated that while it lasted it was great--he loved every second.... Well--his parents threw a fit. Boy was sent to a shrink and is told he was abused. A year of conditioning later he sits on this talk show and says what a horrible thing this woman did to him--and still stated that he thought it was great while it lasted--he didn't know he was being abused at the time. Now who the hell I ask you caused the damage here?" from http://www.libchrist.com/bible/child.html

 Take the time to see both sides of the story. There many great love stories and some that do not love. Just like marriage, there are good marriages and bad one, but we do not make laws and send the bad marriage to jail. What if we send all bad marriage to jail? Then what?

 

 Just like 2 kids playing "Doctor". They go off to a hiding place and have a lot of fun exposing and playing with each others body, so they keep it a secret but feel guilt. If 2 children play with each other body, no one goes to jail. But if an adult plays with the child's body, he goes to jail.

As my girl friend told me the story, I did not know what to think. I first thought, that it must have been a lot of fun and I wish my mother seduced me and I would have had a lot of fun being my mother's lover.

But then when she told me that her father went to jail, I thought, how bad for her not to have her loving father around. I never heard my girl friend ever complain about her father as her lover and she taught me a lot about loving women the right way. She was my "teacher"; she was good, too.

But her sister did not have the same feeling about it. So you have it, 2 sisters, one enjoying the physical loving from her father, and the other one, it was a major problem and the father goes to jail.

Both had guilt, but my girlfriend loved the hugs, kisses, and sexual pleasure that she could live with any guilt that came along with the great joy and pleasure. But her sister with a much lower sex drive, low desire to be hug or kisses or have sex, the guilt overcame her and no pleasure for her, she disliked the whole thing and told someone about it.

Of course there are other issues, like jealousies of others. A person could have a wonderful loving incest relation that both are greatly enjoying and then they are caught. A jealous spouse turns it over to the police and they send the person to jail for child abuse. When the child greatly loves it and is brainwashed to think that it was bad and that she was being abused. Also told that her lover was a bad person and needs to go to jail for being bad.

 INCEST: THE LAST TABOO

Parts from http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/inarticlepositive.html (go to site to read the whole thing)

by Philip Nobile (as originally published in Penthouse, December 1977 issue)

 'Previously suppressed material from the original Kinsey interviews tells us that incest is prevalent and often positive. ' 

Incest would be just another media trend, faddishly seduced and abandoned after repealed use, were it not for two forthcoming studies that promise to turn the prohibition on its head. Both introduce and uphold the notion of "positive incest", an especially dissonant oxymoron that will madden therapists and confuse the masses more than the Kinsey reports did twenty-five years ago. Actually, Kinsey was the first sex researcher to uncover evidence that violation of the taboo does not necessarily shake heaven and earth. Unpublished data taken from his original sex histories (some 18,000 in number) imply that lying with a near relative rarely ends in tragedy. "In our basic sample, the is, our random sample, only a tiny percentage of our incest cases had been reported to police or psychologists," states Kinsey collaborator Dr. Paul Gebhard, currently directory of the Institute for Sex Research in Bloomington, Ind. "In fact, in the ones that were not reported, I'm having a hard time recalling any traumatic effects at all. I certainly can't recall any form among the brother-sister participants, and I can't put my finger on any among the parent-child participants."…

 …And he could have explained that brother-sister incest, by far the most common kind, is known to be relatively harmless

The idea for the book struck him after reading a Times article about incest early last year. According to the piece, only a tiny fraction of the cases ever reaches the courts. In 1976 New York City police received merely one incest complaint and no arrests.

 What is the incidence? Farrell's survey of 2,000 undergraduates in state as well as community colleges yielded a 4 to 5 percent figure. Kinsey's incidence was 3.9, but his collaborator, Dr. Wardell Pomeroy, thinks that the real figure is closer to 10 percent. Incest is not simply a deviation; it is a crime. People tend not to respond as honestly as they would about other modes of unconventional sex. Positive incest is even more hidden, since nothing is gained by disclusure. Thus most of Farrell's positive participants who replied to his ads in the Village Voice, the New York Review of Books, Psychology Today, and the New Republic were speaking out for the first time.

 Farrell cautions that his statistics are rough and confined just to his current sample of 200 -- including people from the unemployed, the working class, business executives, Ph.D.'s and professional athletes. But his preliminary data suggest that the taboo needs severe overhauling. Breaking down the effects into positive (beneficial), negative (traumatic), and mixed (nontraumatic but not regarded as beneficial) categories -- the three faces of incest in his subtitle -- he says that the overwhelming majority of cases fall into the positive column. Cousin-cousin (including uncle-niece and aunt-nephew) and brother-sister (including sibling homosexuality) relations, accounting for about half of the total incidence, are perceived as beneficial in 95 percent of the cases.

Mother-son incest represents 10 percent of the incidence and is 70 percent positive, 20 percent mixed, and 10 percent negative for the son. For the mother it is mostly positive. Farrell points out the boys don't seem to suffer, not even from the negative experience.

The father-daughter scene, ineluctably complicated by feelings of dominance and control, is not nearly so sanguine. Despite some advertisments, calling explicitly for positive female experiences, Farrell discovered that 85 percent of the daughters admitted to having negative attitudes toward their incest. Only 15 percent felt positive about the experience. On the other hand, statistics from the vantage of the fathers involved were almost the reverse -- 60 percent positive, 20 percent negative. "Either men see these relationships differently," comments Farrell, "or I am getting selective reporting from women."

Girls are much more influenced by the dictates of society and are more willing to take on sexual guilt."

 'Do you talk about rape and courtship in the same breath?

 Both are defined by intercourse, but the consent and spirit are different. So, too, with so-called coercive and noncoercive incest.'

Typical Traumatic Case 

In a typical traumatic case, an authoritarian father, unhappily married in a sexually repressed houshold and probably unemployed, drunkenly imposes himself on his young daughter. Genital petting may have started as early as age eight with first intercourse occurring around twelve. Since the father otherwise extends very little attention to his daughter, his sexual advances may be one of the few pleasant experiences she has with him. If she is unaware of society's taboo and if the mother does not intervene, she has no reason to suspect the enormity of the aberration. But when she grows up and learns of the taboo, she feels cheapened. If she comes from the lower class, she may turn to prostitution or drugs as compensation for self-worthlessness, although a direct cause-effect link is far from certain. The trauma is spread through all classes, Farrell observes, but incest is more likely to be negative in the lower class.

 It is not difficult to guess the benefits that accrue to the incestuous father, but what's in it for the 15 percent of daughters who inform Farrell that they liked it? The answer is a tender, nonfumbling, and loving introduction to sex that is wildly arounsing for all its wickedness and devoid of the usual teenage backseat trial and error. One daughter told Farrell that she preferred her father to "the locker room jerkoffs" who were interested only in scoring with her. She felt that they, rather that her father, were trying to take advantage. If the father lets his daughter go gently, avoiding jealous fits, their relationship may be fondly remembered. Some have been known to continue after marriage.

Father/Daughter 

 Incredible? Impossible? Insane? Well, just such a father-daughter case happened in New York City. A forty-two-year-old Jewish writer, contentedly married for twenty years, phoned Farrell after reading his ad and related the following story.

 Two years ago the writer happened to be at his beach house alone with his attractive fifteen-year-old daughter. He watched her strip out of her bikini -- nudity was not unusual in the family -- and fantasized about having sex with her while she showered. His wife's appendix operation had curtailed his sex for the previous five months. This day the women on the beach and a few beers had led him into special temptation. When the daughter emerged from the bathroom in a towel, he greeted her in the nude and erect. Although he had never consciously desired incest before, he told his daughter that he missed sex. Without further prompting she fellated him to orgasm. Then she cried until he assured her that they hadn't done anything wrong; he asked her not to tell her mother.

Two weeks later the daughter walked around the house naked until the father approached her. That day he deflowered her to their mutual satisfaction. But the father was careful not to push things. He did not want to hurt his daughter, who seemed to have an active sex life with boys her own age. Several weeks later the daughter took the initiative again, this time with a girl friend as a third party. This threesome was the most exciting sex the father had ever had. Soon the father and daughter were having intercourse three times a week, repairing to motels with their secret passion. When they were six months into the incest, the wife unexpectedly returned to the apartment from shopping and caught the pair in the act. Despite some initial hysteria, the wife okayed everything. Apparently she was relieved that her husband's strong sexual demands could be met at home rather than with hookers, and she hinted that she'd like to watch the two of them in bed. When the writer talked with Farrell, the incest had been ongoing for two years. The father is enjoying himself immensely, and he says that his daughter prefers his expertise to the groping of her boyfriends, who just want to be "deepthroated." The writer insists that they're both much better friends now that before.

Brother /Sister Relations

Brother-sister relations are attended by fewer complications, since domination is not a factor. Farrell recounted the history of a twenty-five-year-old woman who had happily slept with her older brother for two years until he left home, four years ago, to get married. Today they talk on the phone every week and remain very close. The woman has no regrets and regards her incest as one of the best sexual experiences of her life.

 She began the long seduction of her brother at the age of thirteen or fourteen, prancing around their suburban New York home with her robe open. The tease progressed to leaving her bedroom door open while she was undressed. Apparently, the brother ignored these early invitations but later reciprocated with exhibitionism of his own. When she was eighteen, the girl started masturbating in bed, naked and with the door ajar. The brother responded by simltaneously masturbating in his own room. Soon they were masturbating together and performing oral sex. In a few weeks they engaged in sexual intercourse for the first time.

The sister was turned on to making love with a mirror image of herself. Breaking the taboo only heightened her pleasure. They had sex twice a week for the duration of their liason, often dipping into fantasies and Polaroid pornography. The brother once watched her make love to another man; another time he looked on as she exercised in the nude with a girl friend. On both occasions he made love to her immediately afterward. Their familial arguments ceased during the affair, and they became the best of friends. The sister now feels the incest helped in overcoming her inhibitions, though she and her brother had an active sex life with other partners while they were involved. They have slept together only once since her brother married.

Part of: Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology --- Part of :Immorality, Sexual

Genetic Pool and Incest.

"For modern observers, however, the greatest danger by far would have resulted from the pollution of the genetic pool because of inbreeding. The bulk of the relationships prohibited by the legislation involved first and second degrees of consanguinity, that is, parent-child and grandparent-grandchild incest. Coition within the forbidden degrees of family relationships generally results in genetic complications when offspring are produced. Recessive genes often become dominant and endow the fetus with various kinds of diseases or congenital malformations. This seems to have been the force of the Hebrew tebel [l,b,T], a word that occurs only in Leviticus 18:23 and 20:12. It comes from balal [l;l'B], meaning "to confuse, " and conveys aptly the genetic upheaval that occurs in many cases of inbreeding, since God's rules for procreation have been upset. Only in a few instances does close inbreeding produce beneficial effects by removing recessive lethal genes from the genetic pool. (This may have happened in the case of ancient Egyptian royalty.) Nevertheless, even in such instances, inbreeding diminishes the energy and vigor of species that are normally outbred, and reinforces the wisdom and authority of the Mosaic legislation."

Divorce

"In New Testament times, only the man was able to institute divorce proceedings. It was in reality, however, a rare occurrence, and at that mostly the prerogative of the rich, since poor men could not afford another dowry or "bride price" for a subsequent marriage. The accused woman was protected under the law to the extent that her husband's accusations had to be proved. Thus some scholars have seen the Matthean explanatory clause as indicating immorality as the sole ground for divorce, following the contemporary rabbinical school of Shammai, and not for some purely frivolous cause, as the school of Hillel taught. If this explanation is correct, Jesus was addressing a Jewish controversy that had no bearing on God's marriage ideals in the age of grace, and which Mark and Luke consequently ignored because the exception did not apply to their audiences of Christian believers."

Back to Incest: taboo

Since neither victim nor benefactor needs Farrell's confirmation, why does he gamble with bringing on a sexual deluge? "First, because millions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and genitally caressing their children, when that is really part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn't. My book should at least begin the exploration.

"Second, I'm finding that thousands of people in therapy for incest are being told, in essence, that their lives have been ruined by incest. In fact, their lives have not generally been affected as much by the incest as by the overall atmosphere. My book should help therapists put incest in perspective."

Farrell also hopes to change public attitudes so that participants in incest will no longer be automatically perceived as vitims. "The average incest participant can't evaluate his or her experience for what it was. As soon as society gets into the picture, they have to tell themselves it was bad. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy."

If pushed to the wall, would Farrell urge incest on families? "Incest is like a magnifying glass," he summarizes. "In some circumnstances it magnifies the beauty of a relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. I'm not recommending incest between parent and child, and especially not between father and daughter. The great majority of fathers can grasp the dynamics of positive incest 'intellectually'. But in a society that encourages looking at women in almost purely sexual terms, I don't believe they can translate this understanding into practice."

The joys of incest will be lost on the therapeutic community…

Pomeroy speculates that incest occurs most frequently at the two extremes of society, since rich and poor tend to be less affected by sexual taboos. He eschews elaborate interpretations of the impulse that drives mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers into bed with each other. "Sex is fun," he explains. "That's the overriding factor. You can't overlook that sex is pleasurable enough to overrule this terrific taboo in some cases."

This reporter retorted that he, too, endorsed the fun of sex but wouldn't dream of incest with any of his three daughters. "Perhaps you wouldn't because you've been fathering too much -- wiping their noses, changing their diapers, and so forth," Pomery replied. "The fathering principle kills the sex impulse. It certainly does for me. I wouldn't consider sleeping with my daughter, although I've given it much thought and even talked to her about it. And she said to me, 'You're a great father, but you don't turn me on either.'"

 According to Dr. Tripp, the lifting of the taboo would not automatically invite an avalanche of incestuous activity. ….. 

From  http://www.libchrist.com/bible/child.html

A 13-Year-Old Who Enjoyed His "Abuse"

 Ro 13:9 – "For the commandments against adultery and murder and stealing and coveting – and any other commandment – are all summed up in this one commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

This is clear that, "any other command" would also include incest commands of the past seen through the eyes of the law of love. If your actions violate the law of  love, then it is bad. Many commands are misunderstood why they came about and sometimes things are lost in translation and wording or in man made wrong definitions, so to solve any confusion by judging everything with the eyes of law of love. Let the law of love be your rule book.  Christians are judged by the law of love, Jas 2:12.

Jas 2:12 – "So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free."

Micah 6:8 The Lord has told you, human, what is good; he has told you what he wants from you: to do what is right to other people, love being kind to others, and live humbly, obeying your God.  

Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Ro 14:20 - For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

Romans 14 Grace vs Law and your individual freedoms http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/Romans14.html

1Co 10:23 – All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

2Co 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.  (note: we are new creations similar to Adam and Eve was a new creation of God nude and no shame. They also under a similar law of love)

Ga 6:15 - For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.

Acts 10:13 Then a voice said to Peter, "Get up, Peter; kill and eat." 14 But Peter said, "No, Lord! I have never eaten food that is unholy or unclean." 15 But the voice said to him again, "God has made these things clean so don't call them 'unholy'!" 16 This happened three times  (Note: this was not only about food, but almost everything.)

Ga 5:14 - For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."  

2Jo 1:6 - Love means doing what God has commanded us, and he has commanded us to love one another, just as you heard from the beginning.

1Co 14:1 - Let love be your highest goal, …

 

From  http://www.libchrist.com/bible/child.html

A 13-Year-Old Who Enjoyed His "Abuse"

 

 

Major research on sexuality and the Bible and Sexually Liberated Christians. God make every detail of our sexuality and said it was very good. God make every detail of animal sexuality and said it was good. http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/index6.html

 

Jesus said "My yoke is easy".

 

One Savior--Jesus Christ, One God--our creator God, One Command-- go and tell everyone, One law to follow-- the law of love (the whole law is fulfilled in one law-- the law of love), One heaven-Jesus went to prepare a place for us, One hell-- for non-believers, One heaven- for believer, One work to do--to trust in Christ. http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/one.html


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Please share your personal sex story. Have you enjoyed sex with a family member?

When did it start? How did it start?  Do you know anyone else having sex with a family member?

Thanks for sharing your personal story.
One article i read estimated over 40 million people are involved in incest.

The only incest story that you find in the newspaper are negative stories.
That is normal. If there were 100 positive incest stories and one negative story, only the negative story would get in the newspapers.  Then people would wrongly conclude that all incest is negative.

But kinsey research shows that over 75% incest was positive experence. So  because some have a negative experience, they past laws against it.

Todays divorce rate is 50%, but they don't pass laws against getting married.